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• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:20:00 GMT(1)
• On Sun 31 Jul 2005 05:19:07p, Zorra wrote:
  The problem is that I am absolutely frozen with indecision. Do I go back to a career that I hated? Or do I get a "junk job" to fill the time?
  
  What about going back to school, possibly launch a job in a new career you
  love?
  --
  Cal~
  
  calliope 123 at gmail dot com
• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:50:00 GMT(2)
• "Zorra" <zorra@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.net> wrote in message
  news:_d-dnRqhE8em_XDfRVn-tw@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.com... "-Calliope-" <calliope123remove@lawknowledge.org.removegmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96A4C4ACB633019599491@lawknowledge.org.207.69.189.191... On Sun 31 Jul 2005 05:19:07p, Zorra wrote: The problem is that I am absolutely frozen with indecision. Do I go back to a career that I hated? Or do I get a "junk job" to fill the time? What about going back to school, possibly launch a job in a new career you love? That would be a great idea if I knew what career I might love.... Zorra
  
  Have you considered talking to a career counselor, maybe taking the series
  of aptitude and interest inventory tests that they offer? There may be
  multiple places that you can access this kind of thing - women's centers,
  maybe your employment office - but one good place is a school. Maybe you
  could call the college of your choice nearest you and ask if they offer
  career counseling for people who aren't sure what they want to be when they
  grow up?
• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:31:00 GMT(3)
• On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:33:11 -0400, "Zorra" <zorra@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.net>
  wrote:
  
  So, anyway, as I said, I'm paralyzed with indecision. Wheredo I go from here?
  
  I don't know what type of education you have, so this idea might not
  make sense for you, but here is what I did: I went back to school to
  take classes for what I *thought* might want to do, which is computer
  hardware/networking stuff. During the course of the program, we were
  required to take a couple of programming classes (C++, as luck would
  have it). As soon as I took a programming course, I was hooked. I
  changed my track from networking to programming, and now I'm a
  programmer.
  
  I'm not doing C++, however. I ended up doing a mixture of Unix and
  something called Easytrieve, with a little bit of VBscript mixed in.
  Now I'm getting some exposure to C# and it's really, really fun. Have
  you thought about that? The IDE is really fun to work with and your
  C++ background means that you already understand object orientation.
  The icky parts are gone (pointers and memory management) in C#.
  
  If you don't want to return to programming, then I think my advice is
  still good. Take some classes and perhaps one will 'click' with you.
  You might be meant to be a nurse or a philosphy major or a sculptor,
  and sometimes the only way to find out is to experiment.
  
  Having said all that, my sister (who is also in high-tech) and I have
  thought about scrapping it all and running a bookstore on Whidbey
  Island, so low-stress might also be a good way to go. You could look
  for something with the school district (para-professional type
  position) so that you're only working on days when the kids are in
  school.
  
  Good luck to you! Getting out of the house might be good for you, now
  that the kids are in school anyway.
  
  Lauri in WA
  
  I like my email spamless
• Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:16:00 GMT(4)
• "Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovethis@lawknowledge.org.gmail.com> wrote in message
  news:42edbbbd$1_1@lawknowledge.org.x-privat.org... What would you like to do? You are a smart, interesting person. I'm sure if you figured out a job that would be enjoyable to you, you could convince someone to hire you for it, or for something related so you could learn more about the area.
  
  How sweet! You have a bit more confidence in me than I do in myself
  I'm afraid.
  It is a cliche, but if you are really stuck, try reading some books like "What color is your parachute?"
  
  Okay, I've got it on hold.
  
  Zorra
• Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:26:00 GMT(5)
• "Zorra" <zorra@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.net> wrote in message
  news:s46dnZ_cI-DFUXDfRVn-3A@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.com... "Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovethis@lawknowledge.org.gmail.com> wrote in message news:42edbbbd$1_1@lawknowledge.org.x-privat.org... What would you like to do? You are a smart, interesting person. I'm sure if you figured out a job that would be enjoyable to you, you could convince someone to hire you for it, or for something related so you could learn more about the area. How sweet! You have a bit more confidence in me than I do in myself I'm afraid. It is a cliche, but if you are really stuck, try reading some books like "What color is your parachute?" Okay, I've got it on hold. Zorra
  
  Ignore my post. They all beat me. No Fair!
• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:25:00 GMT(6)
• On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:35:27 GMT, "-Calliope-"
  <calliope123remove@lawknowledge.org.removegmail.com> wrote:
  On Sun 31 Jul 2005 09:31:04p, Lauri wrote: I have thought about scrapping it all and running a bookstore on Whidbey IslandOh, that sounds like a plan :-) My favorite thing to do when visiting anew town is visit their bookstores.. even better when it's abookstore/cafe.. where you can just relax a while.
  
  I think there is something to be said for a relaxing, low-key job. It
  might not be the "big bucks", but the quality of life would be nice.
  
  Lauri in WA
  
  I like my email spamless
• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:35:00 GMT(7)
• "-Calliope-" <calliope123remove@lawknowledge.org.removegmail.com> wrote in message
  news:Xns96A4C4ACB633019599491@lawknowledge.org.207.69.189.191... On Sun 31 Jul 2005 05:19:07p, Zorra wrote: The problem is that I am absolutely frozen with indecision. Do I go back to a career that I hated? Or do I get a "junk job" to fill the time? What about going back to school, possibly launch a job in a new career you love?
  
  That would be a great idea if I knew what career I might love....
  
  Zorra
• Mon, 01 Aug 2005 04:14:00 GMT(8)
• "Doug Laidlaw" <laidlaws@lawknowledge.org.myaccess.com.au> wrote in message
  news:p041s2-aj.ln1@lawknowledge.org.dougshost.mydomain.org.au... The author has a very informative web site, intended to complement the book, at http://www.jobhuntersbible.com/
  
  Hey, thanks!
  
  Zorra
• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:35:00 GMT(9)
• On Sun 31 Jul 2005 09:31:04p, Lauri wrote:
  I have thought about scrapping it all and running a bookstore on Whidbey Island
  
  Oh, that sounds like a plan :-) My favorite thing to do when visiting a
  new town is visit their bookstores.. even better when it's a
  bookstore/cafe.. where you can just relax a while.
  --
  Cal~
  
  calliope 123 at gmail dot com
• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:53:00 GMT(10)
• In article <fb6dnejeq6olwnDfRVn-qA@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.com>,
  "Zorra" <zorra@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.net> wrote:
  Finally, my biggest problem is that I know a lot about what I don't like, but very little about what I do. I don't have the patience to work with kids on a day-to-day basis, so that rules out teacher's aide, pre-school teacher, home day care, and retraining to be a full time teacher. I am not outgoing or gregarious enough for sales or marketing positions. And I'm not sure whether I've been passed over for the receptionist -type jobs I've applied for more because of my lack of experience, or because I don't have that open, friendly face and attitude they are looking for. So, anyway, as I said, I'm paralyzed with indecision. Where do I go from here?
  
  Forget for the moment about jobs and careers and money. What do you
  really like to do? What gives you energy -- has you saying "I can't
  wait until?" What, even little thing, have you done that has had
  someone go out of their way to appreciate you for having done it? Maybe
  thinking along those lines will help -- even if you have to take a temp
  job to bring in some cash.
  --
  Ted
• Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:23:00 GMT(11)
• "Zorra" <zorra@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.net> wrote in message
  news:DpedneJcqrMRxnDfRVn-iw@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.com... Okay, people, I've decided that I really, really, *really* need a job come this September (or as soon as I can after that). It was great being home with my kids when they were little, but they're both in school now, and the past couple of years things have really been going downhill. I think that having a job will do a lot of things for me: Alleviate my loneliness, regulate my sleep schedule, fill that yawning gap between 8:00 and 2:45, and maybe even get my husband off my back a little. Okay, I know I shouldn't count on that last one. The problem is that I am absolutely frozen with indecision. Do I go back to a career that I hated? Or do I get a "junk job" to fill the time? There are several problems with going back to my career. First, I really did hate it. And because I hated it, I really wasn't that great at it. I wasn't terrible -- never got fired or laid off, always got decent raises, etc. But I didn't have that passion that would have made me excel. Now that I've been away for 6 years.
  
  My bro' found What Color Is Your Parachute helpful with this examination.
• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:33:00 GMT(12)
• "Zorra" <zorra@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.net> wrote in message
  news:DpedneJcqrMRxnDfRVn-iw@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.com... Okay, people, I've decided that I really, really, *really* need a job come this September (or as soon as I can after that). It was great being home with my kids when they were little, but they're both in school now, and the past couple of years things have really been going downhill. I think that having a job will do a lot of things for me: Alleviate my loneliness, regulate my sleep schedule, fill that yawning gap between 8:00 and 2:45, and maybe even get my husband off my back a little. Okay, I know I shouldn't count on that last one. The problem is that I am absolutely frozen with indecision. Do I go back to a career that I hated? Or do I get a "junk job" to fill the time? There are several problems with going back to my career. First, I really did hate it. And because I hated it, I really wasn't that great at it. I wasn't terrible -- never got fired or laid off, always got decent raises, etc. But I didn't have that passion that would have made me excel. Now that I've been away for 6 years.
  
  Okay, I hit "send later" but apparently should have hit "save" instead
  since I wasn't done. So, now, where was I?
  
  Now that I've been away 6 years, it will be difficult for me even
  to get a job in my old field (software engineering - C, C++,
  Windows Programming). It's been awhile, my skills are rusty,
  and, as I said, it was never really my niche anyway. I *could*
  take a few classes, and update my skills, but should I do that?
  If I do, won't it trap me back into a career I didn't like in the
  first place?
  
  Or, I could invest in a new education, and start over in a whole
  new career. Certainly people have done that. But now we're
  talking about a several year, and several thousand dollar
  investment, to start back at the bottom. And if so, what career?
  
  Finally, I could get an "unskilled" job. Or perhaps one where
  my familiarity with computers and Microsoft Office would
  get me in the door. The problem with this is that this kind of
  job wouldn't pay enough to cover child care. So it would
  have to be a part-time, flexible job that wouldn't interfere
  with school vacations and holidays, etc. And about the only
  jobs with this kind of flexibility are at the school itself. I've
  applied for a few positions, but so far no luck.
  
  Finally, my biggest problem is that I know a lot about what
  I don't like, but very little about what I do. I don't have the
  patience to work with kids on a day-to-day basis, so that
  rules out teacher's aide, pre-school teacher, home day care,
  and retraining to be a full time teacher. I am not outgoing
  or gregarious enough for sales or marketing positions. And
  I'm not sure whether I've been passed over for the receptionist
  -type jobs I've applied for more because of my lack of
  experience, or because I don't have that open, friendly face
  and attitude they are looking for.
  
  So, anyway, as I said, I'm paralyzed with indecision. Where
  do I go from here?
  
  Zorra
• Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:19:00 GMT(13)
• Zorra wrote:
  Okay, people, I've decided that I really, really, *really* need a job come this September (or as soon as I can after that). It was great being home with my kids when they were little, but they're both in school now, and the past couple of years things have really been going downhill. I think that having a job will do a lot of things for me: Alleviate my loneliness, regulate my sleep schedule, fill that yawning gap between 8:00 and 2:45, and maybe even get my husband off my back a little. Okay, I know I shouldn't count on that last one. The problem is that I am absolutely frozen with indecision. Do I go back to a career that I hated? Or do I get a "junk job" to fill the time? There are several problems with going back to my career. First, I really did hate it. And because I hated it, I really wasn't that great at it. I wasn't terrible -- never got fired or laid off, always got decent raises, etc. But I didn't have that passion that would have made me excel. Now that I've been away for 6 years.
  
  I can identify with you. Fortunately, I can't go back to my career - my
  paperwork is out of order, and last time I rang up about it, they said: "We
  had better say that this conversation never took place." But what else can
  I do at 62?
  
  I would say too: find something that you are passionate about. But it isn't
  easy. Years ago I bought a book called "Thank God it's Monday." It is a
  paperback and I still have it. If you would like the publication details,
  pleas let me know. Basically it was about getting motivated in your
  present job. Make it a stepping-stone to your long-term goal was one
  solution. If you want to have a job with nothing to live on for a while,
  get an interim highly-paid job to build up your reserves, for example. I
  must look for that one that Doug and Grace mention. According to
  my library, there is a 2005 edition (all copies out) but the 2003 and 2002
  editions are available.
  
  Doug L.
  --
  ICQ Number 178748389. Registered Linux User No. 277548.
  Maturity begins to grow when you can sense your concern for others
  outweighing your concern for yourself.
  - John Macnaughton.
• Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:44:00 GMT(14)
• Doug Laidlaw wrote:
  Zorra wrote: Okay, people, I've decided that I really, really, *really* need a job come this September (or as soon as I can after that). It was great being home with my kids when they were little, but they're both in school now, and the past couple of years things have really been going downhill. I think that having a job will do a lot of things for me: Alleviate my loneliness, regulate my sleep schedule, fill that yawning gap between 8:00 and 2:45, and maybe even get my husband off my back a little. Okay, I know I shouldn't count on that last one. The problem is that I am absolutely frozen with indecision. Do I go back to a career that I hated? Or do I get a "junk job" to fill the time? There are several problems with going back to my career. First, I really did hate it. And because I hated it, I really wasn't that great at it. I wasn't terrible -- never got fired or laid off, always got decent raises, etc. But I didn't have that passion that would have made me excel. Now that I've been away for 6 years. I can identify with you. Fortunately, I can't go back to my career - my paperwork is out of order, and last time I rang up about it, they said: "We had better say that this conversation never took place." But what else can I do at 62? I would say too: find something that you are passionate about. But it isn't easy. Years ago I bought a book called "Thank God it's Monday." It is a paperback and I still have it. If you would like the publication details, pleas let me know. Basically it was about getting motivated in your present job. Make it a stepping-stone to your long-term goal was one solution. If you want to have a job with nothing to live on for a while, get an interim highly-paid job to build up your reserves, for example. I must look for that one that Doug and Grace mention. According to my library, there is a 2005 edition (all copies out) but the 2003 and 2002 editions are available. Doug L.
  
  The author has a very informative web site, intended to complement the book,
  at http://www.jobhuntersbible.com/
  
  Doug l.
  --
  ICQ Number 178748389. Registered Linux User No. 277548.
  A hero is no braver than the ordinary (wo)man;
  (s)he is just brave five minutes longer.
• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:08:00 GMT(15)
• "Zorra" <zorra@lawknowledge.org.adelphia.net> writes:
  Okay, people, I've decided that I really, really, *really* need a job come this September (or as soon as I can after that). It was great being home with my kids when they were little, but they're both in school now, and the past couple of years things have really been going downhill. I think that having a job will do a lot of things for me: Alleviate my loneliness, regulate my sleep schedule, fill that yawning gap between 8:00 and 2:45, and maybe even get my husband off my back a little. Okay, I know I shouldn't count on that last one. The problem is that I am absolutely frozen with indecision. Do I go back to a career that I hated?
  
  This part is easy. _No_.
  Or do I get a "junk job" to fill the time?
  
  And this part is easy also. _No_.
  
  What would you like to do? You are a smart, interesting person. I'm
  sure if you figured out a job that would be enjoyable to you, you
  could convince someone to hire you for it, or for something related so
  you could learn more about the area.
  
  It is a cliche, but if you are really stuck, try reading some books
  like "What color is your parachute?"
• Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:16:00 GMT(16)
• Zorra wrote: "-Calliope-" <calliope123remove@lawknowledge.org.removegmail.com> wrote in messageWhat about going back to school, possibly launch a job in a new career youlove? That would be a great idea if I knew what career I might love....
  
  I have a couple of friends who retired from their jobs early, and after
  a while of being bored and needing more money registered with a temp
  agency (being open to different types of jobs that would come their
  way). One of them moved between few jobs but ended up finding a new area
  that she loves, and started a new career. If you aren't in a financial
  bind and can afford to try different routes maybe this path will work
  for you. Be flexible and ready to try different things.
• Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:30:00 GMT(17)
• Zorra wrote:
  "Doug Laidlaw" <laidlaws@lawknowledge.org.myaccess.com.au> wrote in message news:p041s2-aj.ln1@lawknowledge.org.dougshost.mydomain.org.au... The author has a very informative web site, intended to complement the book, at http://www.jobhuntersbible.com/ Hey, thanks! Zorra
  I just got the 2002 edition out of the library. I anticipate that any
  changes since then will be U.S.-specific. It looks extremely good for
  redefining where you want to take your career. I must work through it.
  It mentions that a workbook is available, but paper should do.
  
  Doug.
  --
  ICQ Number 178748389. Registered Linux User No. 277548.
  The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an
  eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was
  'committed'.
  - Unknown.
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