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Mon, 05 Jul 2004 09:54:00 GMTJust wanted your opinions:
Since we are all going on a rampage it seems when it comes to
immigration. What are your thoughts on:
1) Get rid of not only simple immigrants but also scholars,
professionals etc. This way instead of a foreign student going to
Harvard - we would have a US citizen. ALthough this makes US education
more crappy in the long run - in the short run it makes simple people
in the US more happy? Since we are gearing all policies towards the
average Joe who is a beer drinker then it could make sense. Who knows
if we steer things well - Harvard, MIT and others could become party
animal houses and would not teach such hard courses to anybody.
2) What about getting rid of professionals, professors and
researchers? They all helped the US by bringing in new ideas, some
professors have won Nobel prizes. By getting rid of them we could get
more mediocre people a better chance at life. What do you think? This
way simple people will be more happy.
3) Spend even more money on border security. Although border security
is costing tax payers a fortune we can explain to the tax payers that
more people will have employment in INS and as a result it could
reduce unemployment. In the short term a simple person will be happy
because he will think that more people are finding employment but long
term it would mean higher taxes, higher unemployment, good people not
being productive etc. But you always should look at short term
benefits.
4) What about trying to deport naturalized citizens? We could
establish an agency to try to sniff if a naturalized citizen had
immigration problems however small in the past. Since immigration
problems cannot be forgiven - we could try to deport them? In the long
run the US would run the risk of having a lot of enemies but in the
short run - who cares. We could target especially people who are
successful first - this way the avergae Joe who did not make it will
have satisfaction that his neighbour who is successful in life gets
screwed finally.
5) What about devising a scheme - where a person on F-1, H1B cannot
bring his spouse over? We already went ahead with the scheme where a
green card holder cannot bring his spouse over. We could extend the
program to other people. They will be very grateful to the US because
their family ties will be tested over many thousand miles. This way
they will know after couple of years of not seeing their family or
kids whether they have a strong bond going there. We could call it
"The Family Immigration Plan". We could say that after 10 years - they
can bring their families over if they still exist anyways.
6) Deport green card holders who are successful. It would work the
same way as for the naturalized citizens but with less formalities.
7) Give more power to INS agents. If an INS inspector has doubt about
a non immigrant or i immigrant then he can jail him for 3 months
without having to consult with supervisor or anyone for the matter.
INS inspectors would love this and would be grateful because they
could vent their frustration at foreign people and then could become
more healthy. If you let your frustration go then you become more
positive and healthy.
8) What about not only scanning people's eyes but also do strip
searches of all non immigrants to see if they are trying to smuggle
sthg (for example in the ***). The same procedure could be used as for
convicts in jails.
We could also try to subject them to powerful X-Ray to sniff if
everything is okay with them. This would be in addition to strip
searches! We could try to tell the immigrants that it is for their
safety because if sb has a gun up the *** then they can use it against
American people. So it is good for everybody.
9) Attaching a chip to every immigrant, non immigrant and naturalized
citizen. This way we can always track the people better with a simple
computer. The chip could be devised in such a way that if we activate
the program it makes the person pass out - so we can get to him first
and he will not be able to move. We can deport the person during
sleep!
10) Putting up land mines across the borders. This way if people try
to cross they get blown up. Average Joe would have a lot of fun
looking at the explosions!
Let me know your thoughts. I am sure we can all devise a better and
happy policy! Even if all of this is really bad in the long run - lots
of people could be happy in the short run. And why should we look at
the long run anyway?
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- Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:16:00 GMT(1)
- Originally posted by Matrix You must be a troll!
Actually, I believe it's called having a sense of humour.
And you might also want to check the dictionary for the meaning of the
word "irony".
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Posted via http://britishexpats.com - Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:35:00 GMT(2)
- Yes. What we could do is send people who are not happy with policies
to Gulags in Northern Alaska - it will be equivalent of Siberia during
Stalin times.
But most of all we should start a real slam on immigration here so
that average people can become more happy at seeing people screwed.
Times are getting tough, jobs are being outsourced, average Americans
do not have a high standard of living, most wealth is distributed to a
small # of people.
As a result an average Joe is furious. So we can get him more happy by
really slamming on immigration. We can also say that the reason Joe is
unemployed, did not get admitted to college, lives in a rambler etc is
because the immigrants are draining social services, jobs and
everything that America stands for. We can then start deporting masses
of people especially successful immigrants. Then average Joe will
think that sthg good is happening and in the short run we can make him
happy!
We should not look at the long run that we have not solved any
problems but made them worse only. We should not look at it from the
perspective that we got rid of people that propelled America or that
America will be isolated and America's economy will be crappy in the
long run. What counts is that we can restore confidence in the average
Joe short term - so that he can wave American flag proudly and say -
they are helping me!
When average Joe wakes up and sniffs that he is still unemployed and
has a crappy life - we can start a war. Then we can try to explain
that it is because terrorists are harbouring weapons of mass
destruction and that is why average Joe is not happy and that his main
problem is not being unemployed but some people with weapons of mass
destruction who are out there trying to kill Joe.
We can really do a good job at making people happy. We need to explain
the sources of pain that people have and then tell them what remedy we
need to take. It will bring short term benefits and bliss to all!
So when are we rolling here?
Alun <elektros@lawknowledge.org.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Xns951E174B7693Aelektrosmdonet@lawknowledge.org.130.133.1.4>... croesx <member10884@lawknowledge.org.british_expats.com> wrote in news:1517529.1089048813 @lawknowledge.org.britishexpats.com: Originally posted by Kopys Just wanted your opinions: Since we are all going on a rampage it seems when it comes to immigration. What are your thoughts on: 1) Get rid of not only simple immigrants but also scholars, professionals etc. This way instead of a foreign student going to Harvard - we would have a US citizen. ALthough this makes US education more crappy in the long run - in the short run it makes simple people in the US more happy? Since we are gearing all policies towards the average Joe who is a beer drinker then it could make sense. Who knows if we steer things well - Harvard, MIT and others could become party animal houses and would not teach such hard courses to anybody. 2) What about getting rid of professionals, professors and researchers? They all helped the US by bringing in new ideas, some professors have won Nobel prizes. By getting rid of them we could get more mediocre people a better chance at life. What do you think? This way simple people will be more happy. 3) Spend even more money on border security. Although border security is costing tax payers a fortune we can explain to the tax payers that more people will have employment in INS and as a result it could reduce unemployment. In the short term a simple person will be happy because he will think that more people are finding employment but long term it would mean higher taxes, higher unemployment, good people not being productive etc. But you always should look at short term benefits. 4) What about trying to deport naturalized citizens? We could establish an agency to try to sniff if a naturalized citizen had immigration problems however small in the past. Since immigration problems cannot be forgiven - we could try to deport them? In the long run the US would run the risk of having a lot of enemies but in the short run - who cares. We could target especially people who are successful first - this way the avergae Joe who did not make it will have satisfaction that his neighbour who is successful in life gets screwed finally. 5) What about devising a scheme - where a person on F-1, H1B cannot bring his spouse over? We already went ahead with the scheme where a green card holder cannot bring his spouse over. We could extend the program to other people. They will be very grateful to the US because their family ties will be tested over many thousand miles. This way they will know after couple of years of not seeing their family or kids whether they have a strong bond going there. We could call it "The Family Immigration Plan". We could say that after 10 years - they can bring their families over if they still exist anyways. 6) Deport green card holders who are successful. It would work the same way as for the naturalized citizens but with less formalities. 7) Give more power to INS agents. If an INS inspector has doubt about a non immigrant or i immigrant then he can jail him for 3 months without having to consult with supervisor or anyone for the matter. INS inspectors would love this and would be grateful because they could vent their frustration at foreign people and then could become more healthy. If you let your frustration go then you become more positive and healthy. 8) What about not only scanning people's eyes but also do strip searches of all non immigrants to see if they are trying to smuggle sthg (for example in the ***). The same procedure could be used as for convicts in jails. We could also try to subject them to powerful X-Ray to sniff if everything is okay with them. This would be in addition to strip searches! We could try to tell the immigrants that it is for their safety because if sb has a gun up the *** then they can use it against American people. So it is good for everybody. 9) Attaching a chip to every immigrant, non immigrant and naturalized citizen. This way we can always track the people better with a simple computer. The chip could be devised in such a way that if we activate the program it makes the person pass out - so we can get to him first and he will not be able to move. We can deport the person during sleep! 10) Putting up land mines across the borders. This way if people try to cross they get blown up. Average Joe would have a lot of fun looking at the explosions! Let me know your thoughts. I am sure we can all devise a better and happy policy! Even if all of this is really bad in the long run - lots of people could be happy in the short run. And why should we look at the long run anyway? Why stop with deporting naturalized citizens? why not deport natural born democrats, liberals and those ever annoying people with fair and balanced opinions regarding the current administration? You mean like the USSR used to do? - Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:17:00 GMT(3)
- croesx <member10884@lawknowledge.org.british_expats.com> wrote in news:1517529.1089048813
@lawknowledge.org.britishexpats.com:
Originally posted by Kopys Just wanted your opinions: Since we are all going on a rampage it seems when it comes to immigration. What are your thoughts on: 1) Get rid of not only simple immigrants but also scholars, professionals etc. This way instead of a foreign student going to Harvard - we would have a US citizen. ALthough this makes US education more crappy in the long run - in the short run it makes simple people in the US more happy? Since we are gearing all policies towards the average Joe who is a beer drinker then it could make sense. Who knows if we steer things well - Harvard, MIT and others could become party animal houses and would not teach such hard courses to anybody. 2) What about getting rid of professionals, professors and researchers? They all helped the US by bringing in new ideas, some professors have won Nobel prizes. By getting rid of them we could get more mediocre people a better chance at life. What do you think? This way simple people will be more happy. 3) Spend even more money on border security. Although border security is costing tax payers a fortune we can explain to the tax payers that more people will have employment in INS and as a result it could reduce unemployment. In the short term a simple person will be happy because he will think that more people are finding employment but long term it would mean higher taxes, higher unemployment, good people not being productive etc. But you always should look at short term benefits. 4) What about trying to deport naturalized citizens? We could establish an agency to try to sniff if a naturalized citizen had immigration problems however small in the past. Since immigration problems cannot be forgiven - we could try to deport them? In the long run the US would run the risk of having a lot of enemies but in the short run - who cares. We could target especially people who are successful first - this way the avergae Joe who did not make it will have satisfaction that his neighbour who is successful in life gets screwed finally. 5) What about devising a scheme - where a person on F-1, H1B cannot bring his spouse over? We already went ahead with the scheme where a green card holder cannot bring his spouse over. We could extend the program to other people. They will be very grateful to the US because their family ties will be tested over many thousand miles. This way they will know after couple of years of not seeing their family or kids whether they have a strong bond going there. We could call it "The Family Immigration Plan". We could say that after 10 years - they can bring their families over if they still exist anyways. 6) Deport green card holders who are successful. It would work the same way as for the naturalized citizens but with less formalities. 7) Give more power to INS agents. If an INS inspector has doubt about a non immigrant or i immigrant then he can jail him for 3 months without having to consult with supervisor or anyone for the matter. INS inspectors would love this and would be grateful because they could vent their frustration at foreign people and then could become more healthy. If you let your frustration go then you become more positive and healthy. 8) What about not only scanning people's eyes but also do strip searches of all non immigrants to see if they are trying to smuggle sthg (for example in the ***). The same procedure could be used as for convicts in jails. We could also try to subject them to powerful X-Ray to sniff if everything is okay with them. This would be in addition to strip searches! We could try to tell the immigrants that it is for their safety because if sb has a gun up the *** then they can use it against American people. So it is good for everybody. 9) Attaching a chip to every immigrant, non immigrant and naturalized citizen. This way we can always track the people better with a simple computer. The chip could be devised in such a way that if we activate the program it makes the person pass out - so we can get to him first and he will not be able to move. We can deport the person during sleep! 10) Putting up land mines across the borders. This way if people try to cross they get blown up. Average Joe would have a lot of fun looking at the explosions! Let me know your thoughts. I am sure we can all devise a better and happy policy! Even if all of this is really bad in the long run - lots of people could be happy in the short run. And why should we look at the long run anyway? Why stop with deporting naturalized citizens? why not deport natural born democrats, liberals and those ever annoying people with fair and balanced opinions regarding the current administration?
You mean like the USSR used to do? - Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:47:00 GMT(4)
- On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:00:34 GMT, "matrix" <matrix@lawknowledge.org.yahoo.com> wrote:
You must be a troll!
Or just an asshole who hasn't the intellectual capacity to distinguish
good immigration policy from bad. - Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:00:00 GMT(5)
- You must be a troll!
- Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:33:00 GMT(6)
- Originally posted by Kopys Just wanted your opinions:
Since we are all going on a rampage it seems when it comes to
immigration. What are your thoughts on: 1) Get rid of not only
simple immigrants but also scholars, professionals etc. This way
instead of a foreign student going to Harvard - we would have a US
citizen. ALthough this makes US education more crappy in the long run
- in the short run it makes simple people in the US more happy? Since
we are gearing all policies towards the average Joe who is a beer
drinker then it could make sense. Who knows if we steer things well -
Harvard, MIT and others could become party animal houses and would not
teach such hard courses to anybody. 2) What about getting rid of
professionals, professors and researchers? They all helped the US by
bringing in new ideas, some professors have won Nobel prizes. By
getting rid of them we could get more mediocre people a better chance
at life. What do you think? This way simple people will be more happy.
3) Spend even more money on border security. Although border
security is costing tax payers a fortune we can explain to the tax
payers that more people will have employment in INS and as a result it
could reduce unemployment. In the short term a simple person will be
happy because he will think that more people are finding employment
but long term it would mean higher taxes, higher unemployment, good
people not being productive etc. But you always should look at short
term benefits. 4) What about trying to deport naturalized
citizens? We could establish an agency to try to sniff if a
naturalized citizen had immigration problems however small in the
past. Since immigration problems cannot be forgiven - we could try to
deport them? In the long run the US would run the risk of having a lot
of enemies but in the short run - who cares. We could target
especially people who are successful first - this way the avergae Joe
who did not make it will have satisfaction that his neighbour who is
successful in life gets screwed finally. 5) What about devising a
scheme - where a person on F-1, H1B cannot bring his spouse over? We
already went ahead with the scheme where a green card holder cannot
bring his spouse over. We could extend the program to other people.
They will be very grateful to the US because their family ties will be
tested over many thousand miles. This way they will know after couple
of years of not seeing their family or kids whether they have a strong
bond going there. We could call it "The Family Immigration Plan". We
could say that after 10 years - they can bring their families over if
they still exist anyways. 6) Deport green card holders who are
successful. It would work the same way as for the naturalized citizens
but with less formalities. 7) Give more power to INS agents. If an
INS inspector has doubt about a non immigrant or i immigrant then he
can jail him for 3 months without having to consult with supervisor or
anyone for the matter. INS inspectors would love this and would be
grateful because they could vent their frustration at foreign people
and then could become more healthy. If you let your frustration go
then you become more positive and healthy. 8) What about not only
scanning people's eyes but also do strip searches of all non
immigrants to see if they are trying to smuggle sthg (for example in
the ***). The same procedure could be used as for convicts in jails.
We could also try to subject them to powerful X-Ray to sniff if
everything is okay with them. This would be in addition to strip
searches! We could try to tell the immigrants that it is for their
safety because if sb has a gun up the *** then they can use it against
American people. So it is good for everybody. 9) Attaching a chip
to every immigrant, non immigrant and naturalized citizen. This way we
can always track the people better with a simple computer. The chip
could be devised in such a way that if we activate the program it
makes the person pass out - so we can get to him first and he will not
be able to move. We can deport the person during sleep! 10)
Putting up land mines across the borders. This way if people try to
cross they get blown up. Average Joe would have a lot of fun looking
at the explosions! Let me know your thoughts. I am sure we can
all devise a better and happy policy! Even if all of this is really
bad in the long run - lots of people could be happy in the short run.
And why should we look at the long run anyway?
Why stop
with deporting naturalized citizens? why not deport natural born
democrats, liberals and those ever annoying people with fair and
balanced opinions regarding the current administration?
--
Posted via http://britishexpats.com - Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:50:00 GMT(7)
- On 8 Jul 2004 06:31:46 -0700, robertwojciechowski@lawknowledge.org.hotmail.com (Kopys)
wrote:
No - you do not understand here.I was saying that since we already got many scholars, researchers,professionals, companies investing discouraged about the whole program- then I thought that we can go further and get them even morediscouraged.Also I said that since we are spending so much tax payer money andthat results in getting scholars, companies investing etc discouraged- then why not spend even more money on new programs. There will bemore to talk about on TV.Also I said that since we started off a sniffing machine for massdestruction weapons then we can also got to a new war somewhere else.We should pick a weak country which will not be able to defend itselfand label it as having weapons of mass destruction.So what I proposed are good things and I am sure all of it will result1) Cool topics on TV2) Something to talk about3) People venting their frustration at poor living conditions.4) If we play it right we can get people to think that we areprotecting America.5) New war will get people thinking about new things. Solidiers willalso vent their frustrations on new prisoners.Basically we will get people's minds focused on totally differentthings and we could make them proud.What do you all think?
That you're still just an asshole who hasn't the intellectual capacity
to distinguish good immigration policy from badOliver Costich <olc-caNOSPAM@lawknowledge.org.cox.net> wrote in message news:<olone0psq0s8jg8gglvania67b8fhjbief@lawknowledge.org.4ax.com>... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:00:34 GMT, "matrix" <matrix@lawknowledge.org.yahoo.com> wrote:You must be a troll! Or just an asshole who hasn't the intellectual capacity to distinguish good immigration policy from bad. - Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:31:00 GMT(8)
- No - you do not understand here.
I was saying that since we already got many scholars, researchers,
professionals, companies investing discouraged about the whole program
- then I thought that we can go further and get them even more
discouraged.
Also I said that since we are spending so much tax payer money and
that results in getting scholars, companies investing etc discouraged
- then why not spend even more money on new programs. There will be
more to talk about on TV.
Also I said that since we started off a sniffing machine for mass
destruction weapons then we can also got to a new war somewhere else.
We should pick a weak country which will not be able to defend itself
and label it as having weapons of mass destruction.
So what I proposed are good things and I am sure all of it will result
1) Cool topics on TV
2) Something to talk about
3) People venting their frustration at poor living conditions.
4) If we play it right we can get people to think that we are
protecting America.
5) New war will get people thinking about new things. Solidiers will
also vent their frustrations on new prisoners.
Basically we will get people's minds focused on totally different
things and we could make them proud.
What do you all think?
Oliver Costich <olc-caNOSPAM@lawknowledge.org.cox.net> wrote in message news:<olone0psq0s8jg8gglvania67b8fhjbief@lawknowledge.org.4ax.com>... On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:00:34 GMT, "matrix" <matrix@lawknowledge.org.yahoo.com> wrote:You must be a troll! Or just an asshole who hasn't the intellectual capacity to distinguish good immigration policy from bad.
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